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Post by MrLincecum on Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:54 pm

Alright, so i'm sitting in animation at this very moment. This is all happening as i'm typing this.

My teacher's out, so we have a sub. The sub tells us to search for 10 images of cartoon characters. I oblige.

But I'm noticing that this one girl in my class is getting images of anime characters.

First off, i'm doing cartwheels in my head because this is the first person [let alone a girl] that I know in real life that watches anime. But I'm also thinking "Animes are not cartoons This person has no idea... bla bla bla me being cynical..."

But then I stop and think for a second about anime and whether other people might see it as kind of a cartoonish thing. I could just google it, but google can't substitute for personal preference, so I want to know whether you guys think that animes can be classified as a cartoon in any way shape or form [By the way, this isn't animes like Avatar where it looks cartoony, this is stuff like Mirai Nikki and School Days]. I apologize if this has been asked already.

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Ovyda on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:04 pm

Anime - Japanese animation
Cartoon - American animation

this is how I see lol. Therefore, anime =/= cartoons Very Happy

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by DemonEyesJoe on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:49 pm

animation=cartoon (unless CGI or whatever)

the only difference is the art style, i mean, panty & stocking is considered an anime but it looks like a cartoon from over here.

anime, is a cartoon, its just from somewhere else, or has a different art direction or a better story

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Valvatorez on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:54 pm

MrLincecum wrote:
But I'm noticing that this one girl in my class is getting images of anime characters.

First off, i'm doing cartwheels in my head because this is the first person [let alone a girl] that I know in real life that watches anime.

You know what to do Lince.



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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Metazoxan on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:09 pm

DemonEyesJoe wrote:animation=cartoon (unless CGI or whatever)

the only difference is the art style, i mean, panty & stocking is considered an anime but it looks like a cartoon from over here.

anime, is a cartoon, its just from somewhere else, or has a different art direction or a better story

But the thing is though anime has such a different style from pretty much any American cartoon that it is kinda a different thing. The term anime technically means "Japanese cartoon" but you can't really call anything made in America anime and simply calling an anime a cartoon is misleading. Words can often change meaning based on how they are used. For example ass used to just be a donkey. Anime has come to refer to "cartoons" from Japan while cartoons refer to more western stuff like American cartoons. Obviously there are exceptions like Avatar which is not technically anime but follows more of an anime style or Panty & stocking which follows more of an American Cartoons style.

There is no set in stone definition though so people are free to see it as they want.

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by uallandme on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:02 pm

cartoon, hand drawn show (movie) directed at kids
animation, hand drawn show (movie) directed at a older audience made in a western country
anime, hand drawn show (movie) made in a Asian country

thats just my opinion.

i think the reason people view anime's as cartoons is because as kids they watched toned down versions of shows like pokemon, dbz, avatar and once they grew out of it they assumed thats what most animes were like (well that what i thought till i got back into them)

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Metazoxan on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:07 pm

uallandme wrote:cartoon, hand drawn show (movie) directed at kids
animation, hand drawn show (movie) directed at a older audience made in a western country
anime, hand drawn show (movie) made in a Asian country

thats just my opinion.

i think the reason people view anime's as cartoons is because as kids they watched toned down versions of shows like pokemon, dbz, avatar and once they grew out of it they assumed thats what most animes were like (well that what i thought till i got back into them)

Yeah I think a lot of people who don't watch anime anymore don't realize the stuff they watched was typically really toned down and censored to make it "Okay for kids" and that there is a lot of stuff they never saw.

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Bato on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:10 pm

uallandme wrote:cartoon, hand drawn show (movie) directed at kids
animation, hand drawn show (movie) directed at a older audience made in a western country
anime, hand drawn show (movie) made in a Asian country

thats just my opinion.

i think the reason people view anime's as cartoons is because as kids they watched toned down versions of shows like pokemon, dbz, avatar and once they grew out of it they assumed thats what most animes were like (well that what i thought till i got back into them)

So Family Guy, Cleveland Show, South Park etc etc are animations and not cartoons?

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by uallandme on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:21 pm

Bato wrote:So Family Guy, Cleveland Show, South Park etc etc are animations and not cartoons?

yes...

(in my opinion)

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by DemonEyesJoe on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:38 pm

my problem is that people use anime to give them selves a reason not to watch "anime" when they infact like cartoons.

anime seems to have a label for those who DONT watch it as porn, and nothing but, so to refer to it as a cartoon, makes it easier for those who dont watch it and automatically think "NERD" when they hear the word anime.

basicly, saying the word anime turns people off to it due to its bizzare reputation, so, reffering it to a cartoon, helps people along better

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Metazoxan on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:52 pm

DemonEyesJoe wrote:my problem is that people use anime to give them selves a reason not to watch "anime" when they infact like cartoons.

anime seems to have a label for those who DONT watch it as porn, and nothing but, so to refer to it as a cartoon, makes it easier for those who dont watch it and automatically think "NERD" when they hear the word anime.

basicly, saying the word anime turns people off to it due to its bizzare reputation, so, reffering it to a cartoon, helps people along better

On the flip side saying cartoon makes a lot of people think childish. So people are turned off because they aren't interested in "Stupid kids shows". So both labels will turn different kinds of people off. I'd prefer anime have the bizzare reputation (After some anime really are bizzare) than have a kiddy label. But that's just me.

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Bato on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:07 pm

DemonEyesJoe wrote:my problem is that people use anime to give them selves a reason not to watch "anime" when they infact like cartoons.

anime seems to have a label for those who DONT watch it as porn, and nothing but, so to refer to it as a cartoon, makes it easier for those who dont watch it and automatically think "NERD" when they hear the word anime.

basicly, saying the word anime turns people off to it due to its bizzare reputation, so, reffering it to a cartoon, helps people along better

Those people are idiots who dont know anything and are too idiotic to give anime a chance.

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by plantkingman on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:24 pm

For me its just the style of animation. Anime is still a cartoon because its animated like American style or any other country's style of animation. I have read that in Japan their animation is just animation; outside of Japan its referred to as anime.
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Post by Metazoxan on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:47 pm

plantkingman wrote:For me its just the style of animation. Anime is still a cartoon because its animated like American style or any other country's style of animation. I have read that in Japan their animation is just animation; outside of Japan its referred to as anime.

That doesn't really matter. Various countries always have terms and phrases unique to their culture. We don't name our cartoons anything special and neither do they. But that doesn't mean the term "Anime" that we use only means cartoons in general.

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by MiniSiets on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:17 pm

DemonEyesJoe wrote:animation=cartoon (unless CGI or whatever)

the only difference is the art style, i mean, panty & stocking is considered an anime but it looks like a cartoon from over here.

anime, is a cartoon, its just from somewhere else, or has a different art direction or a better story
This is the way I view it as well. They're all just different styles of animation/cartoons. I feel like refusing to acknowledge anime as cartoons is being somewhat elitist because we don't want to admit that they're among the same medium as western-produced animations which are generally less mature. We simply need to recognize that cartoons--like live action content--can appeal to any demographic depending on how they are used, and they are not necessarily limited to kids whether they're western-produced or Japanese. Some definitions given in this thread don't make sense because they imply Family Guy isn't a cartoon.


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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Bato on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:18 pm

plantkingman wrote:For me its just the style of animation. Anime is still a cartoon because its animated like American style or any other country's style of animation. I have read that in Japan their animation is just animation; outside of Japan its referred to as anime.

There are plenty of animes where they use the term anime. Bakuman as a big example.

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Post by Tsuyushi on Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:15 am

Anime=Cartoon
The only difference is in the style.

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Noobs on Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:15 am

correct me if im wrong but this is analogy of cartoon and anime


anime, cartoon : ________, tidal wave.

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Post by Sporadic on Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:53 am

Another one of these threads? -_-

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by MrLincecum on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:12 am

Sporadic wrote:Another one of these threads? -_-

Another one of these posts? -_-

Excuse me for asking a question that indirectly relates to a thread that no longer exists. Pointless post is pointless.

On the other hand, I talked to her about it today and she bascially said the same thing some of you are saying. She said that anime is a cartoon but it's just a different style of cartoon. I can't say I agree with her because I feel anime is more story based than a regular cartoon, but I feel she has a valid point.

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Post by Sporadic on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:15 am

MrLincecum wrote:
Excuse me for asking a question that indirectly relates to a thread that no longer exists

You're excused. Razz

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Re: Anime... a cartoon?

Post by Bato on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:46 am

MrLincecum wrote:
Sporadic wrote:Another one of these threads? -_-

Another one of these posts? -_-

Excuse me for asking a question that indirectly relates to a thread that no longer exists. Pointless post is pointless.

On the other hand, I talked to her about it today and she bascially said the same thing some of you are saying. She said that anime is a cartoon but it's just a different style of cartoon. I can't say I agree with her because I feel anime is more story based than a regular cartoon, but I feel she has a valid point.

I dont think there is a cartoon that is anything like most animes (apart from the childish ones). I dont count Avatar as a cartoon.

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Post by Tsuyushi on Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:40 pm

uallandme wrote:
Bato wrote:So Family Guy, Cleveland Show, South Park etc etc are animations and not cartoons?

yes...

(in my opinion)
Hence the pitch "Animation Domination" for Sunday evenings or whenever it is.. I always saw the commercials after NFL games xD

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Post by MiniSiets on Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:28 pm

MrLincecum wrote:I can't say I agree with her because I feel anime is more story based than a regular cartoon, but I feel she has a valid point.
If we're differentiating it based on story then by that reasoning Desert Punk and Panty & Stocking are not anime.

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Post by Valvatorez on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:17 pm

MiniSiets wrote:
MrLincecum wrote:I can't say I agree with her because I feel anime is more story based than a regular cartoon, but I feel she has a valid point.
If we're differentiating it based on story then by that reasoning Desert Punk and Panty & Stocking are not anime.

Well, I know P&S has a central plot of them trying to get back to heaven, dont know about Desert Punk though.
In american cartoons, you dont really see much in the main plot department, mostly in today's cartoons, and quite a few in the past.
The only cartoons at the top of my head that had somewhat of a central plot was the DC & Marvel cartoons, and perhaps a bit of Scooby Doo and whatnot.

Cartoons like CatDog, Hey Arnold, Adventure Time, etc., dont have much of a central plot. Well, to my memory at least.

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