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Post by Valvatorez on Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:16 pm




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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by BlurredExistence on Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:41 pm

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BlurredExistence wrote:Actually here's a question for you: Did any of the H-scenes turn you on?

That's the true objective of any H-scene, not to advance the plot, not to convey emotions, but to turn the reader on. And it's not the image that's key in that effort (tho it definitely helps) but the description of what's happening, of what each partner is doing to the other and how they feel as they "make love".

If it fails to do that then it's failed as a H-scene and is therefore a bit of a pointless addition (could just be replaced by some other type of scene). Fact.

Not all H-scenes are meant to turn you on. A LOT OF THEM are there to advance plot or convey emotions. It shows a deepening of relationships that can satisfy the reader. Many people are unsatisfied with just a kiss as the end point for a relationship. While most eroge do make H-scenes simply to turn on the reader. A lot of them don't, and this includes Katawa Shoujo. The reason for the H-scenes in Katawa Shoujo is to advance plot and convey emotions, and not to entice the reader. It keeps the spirit of eroge in tact, showing a realistic advancement of a relationship, not just a kiss and then it ends there.

And to answer your question. Some did. Probably the Bath H-scene the most.

Again while it is true in most AVNs they do serve the purpose of advancing plot their main, MAIN, objective is always to turn you on, to full fill human horniness desire. Seriously, if that wasn't their main purpose other scenes could take their place easily, for instance you could easily make intimate scenes with passionate and emotional heart to hearts culminating in a deep and sensual lover's kiss, just as things are handled in non-AVNs (ie. Clannad which manages to do without a single H-scene thruout the VN).

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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by Wampa on Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:24 am

so i finished my final route in this which was Lily's and got the good end and i must say i really liked lily's ending but i still feel like i liked emi's and hanako's routes better and rin's and shizune's would probably be my bottom two. I didnt really like shizune as a character so thats probably why i didnt like that route but rin's just felt weird to me, i thought i would like it but i didnt maybe it was because of my dislike of nomiya but idk....my first vn is finished though with 98% complete and the other scenes just being chooses i dont have a save for so on to a new one i suppose

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Post by BlurredExistence on Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:48 am

Am i the only one who found that Rin talked a lot of sense?

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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by Wampa on Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:52 am

i agree she spoke words of wisdom that could be very deep, when she made sense and didnt ramble i just couldnt get into her route for whatever reason, i liked her as a character and all but there was just something in the route for me that hindered it

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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by BlurredExistence on Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:03 am

I think her route is the worst because it falls apart in the most chaotic of fashions. You've got two people thrown together neither of whom can really understand the other and when it comes to the major crash you can just see it all coming and no way to avoid it.

I must admit when i first played her route (the very first time) i was on course for her bad ending and the way that argument went... well i couldn't take it, it was so frustrating and so upsetting that i actually for, i think, the first time in a VN said "No! I ain't accepting this outcome!" and reloaded my last save straight away.

In fact when playing thru her bad end to do the 100% completion i think i basically skipped over it, i didn't want to see someone so raw and emotionally vulnerable to be ripped apart and left to fend for herself that way.

I tell you what Hisao is a bit of a selfish arse in some of the bad ends.

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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by Deathfire123 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:33 pm

I personally think it's the BEST BECAUSE it INTENTIONALLY falls apart in every sense.

The route is about understanding the person you're with and that's the exact OPPOSITE thing Hisao does for the majority of the route. He's only looking at his own side of things. He notices Rin's downward spiral and he wants to help her, but he never does the right thing, because he can't understand Rin.

It's heart-breaking. It's like being right beside the person you love but one of you can't see and the other person doesn't know how to talk. Communication is almost impossible, and that's how nearly all of the problems happen in her route.

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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by BlurredExistence on Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:10 pm

Deathfire123 wrote:I personally think it's the BEST BECAUSE it INTENTIONALLY falls apart in every sense.

The route is about understanding the person you're with and that's the exact OPPOSITE thing Hisao does for the majority of the route. He's only looking at his own side of things. He notices Rin's downward spiral and he wants to help her, but he never does the right thing, because he can't understand Rin.

It's heart-breaking. It's like being right beside the person you love but one of you can't see and the other person doesn't know how to talk. Communication is almost impossible, and that's how nearly all of the problems happen in her route.

I totally agree. It's also heart rending to see her struggle with herself, constantly frustrated by an inability to truly express herself with the word, feeling completely isolated and lone even when surrounded by people. It makes you want to understand her all the more, and you spend her arch trying to mentally push Hisao to try harder.

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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by theguywiththeface on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:24 pm

Last post March 21st. Well I'm late to the party on this one. but eh, what the hell. It was a while ago so I'm going off memory but I've beaten the game 100% and I Loved all the endings, the good ones that is, but the top 3 for me personally would have to be 1. Lilly 2. Rin 3. Hanako. Really It could be a tie for first with lilly and rin though both were really touching. (Note: H has no influence in my ratings)
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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by BlurredExistence on Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:32 pm

theguywiththeface wrote:but the top 3 for me personally would have to be 1. Lilly

Interesting. Why Lilly's at number 1?

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Post by theguywiththeface on Sat May 04, 2013 2:48 am

That's actually tough to explain, I guess the best explanation I have is. Lilly's almost constant and genuine concern for Hisao is something I enjoyed and found quite touching. Yes, the others did have the same thing but Lilly took it to a whole other level as I recall. Rin is at a close second because, though solid, the ending for her route left a bit to be desired imo.
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Re: Visual Novel Discussion Thread: Katawa Shoujo

Post by BlurredExistence on Mon May 06, 2013 10:37 pm

I know what you mean man, Lilly has such a warm and caring nature it's almost motherly, it's hard not to love her, so i feel that more than makes up for her story arch being the gentlest, quietest and most relaxed in pace.

Also know what you mean with Rin's ending. I really craved something better but based upon everything that we know about both Rin, Hisao and the events that transpired between them i'm afraid realistically that's the best we could get. Maybe if that incarnation of Hiaso wasn't such a tool then maybe it could have gone better.

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